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Obama Berlin Speech: "People of the world, this is our moment - this is our time."
News Type: Event — Seeded on Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:18 PM EDT
Article Source: The Huffington Postadvertisement
People of Berlin - and people of the world - the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. With an eye toward the future, with resolve in our hearts, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again.
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{"commentId":2270713,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Well over 100,000 people attending the first campaign speech given for the office of President of the World. A very remarkable event. Send those Euros to barackobama.com! (just kidding...kind of.)
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#1 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:22 PM EDT{"commentId":2270992,"authorDomain":"mrmajek"}
Send those Euros to China with a note "Save America Relief Fund".
{"commentId":2270992,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mrmajek"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":2271594,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Good speech as far as it goes. Long on platitudes designed to make everyone feel good. Obama's a past master at this.
Couple of small points, one humorous the other not so.
As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.
Seeing the Audis, VWs, Beemers and Benzes around this town you'd think DC were a wholly-owned subsidiary but I see no mention of the German automakers.
Both views miss the truth - that Europeans today are bearing new burdens and taking more responsibility in critical parts of the world. . .
I would like for His Barackness to point me to examples of this. Even on the economic aid to Afghanistan front the EU has been woeful. At the recent donor conference, while the pledged $10.2 billion the EU pledge was a niggardly $770 million.
{"commentId":2271594,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2271812,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
How many soldiers did the US send to Southern Lebanon?
Chad?
Congo?
Do you have the figures handy, Bill? Do you know who sent the troops?
{"commentId":2271812,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
- 11 votes
{"commentId":2271997,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
I would like for His Barackness to point me to examples of this. Even on the economic aid to Afghanistan front the EU has been woeful. At the recent donor conference, while the pledged $10.2 billion the EU pledge was a niggardly $770 million.
A fair point, Bill, my take is that Obama was seeding a lot of little messages in that speech that said in net effect, "Europe, don't expect a free ride from us anymore. You have to pay your own freight." He said it nicely, but it was a challenging speech in its own way, it wasn't a Big Daddy America will take care of everything speech. We'll lead, but we're not dragging.
Would be nice if those latte-sippin' folks stopped sitting on their keesters and got someone besides guest workers to sweat it a bit. In a nice way, of course.
{"commentId":2271997,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 15 votes
{"commentId":2272536,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
I would like for His Barackness to point me to examples of this. Even on the economic aid to Afghanistan front the EU has been woeful. At the recent donor conference, while the pledged $10.2 billion the EU pledge was a niggardly $770 million.
Bill 1.2---well you see ---that's all gonna "change" once the USA elects barack obama---then I'm quite sure the EU will be right back on board---aren't you?
{"commentId":2272536,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2273107,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}
This whole "destiny" type speech makes me want to vomit a little.
Meaning, I kind of want to vomit.
Not I want to vomit a small amount.
I disliked it with Bush too.
I get put off with emotional appeals.
Just sayen'
{"commentId":2273107,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2273168,"authorDomain":"simon-says"}
I would like for His Barackness to point me to examples of this. Even on the economic aid to Afghanistan front the EU has been woeful. At the recent donor conference, while the pledged $10.2 billion the EU pledge was a niggardly $770 million.
Afghanistan is not the only place where humanitarian aid is needed. There are worst places as well that needs the aid more.
Last year (2007) the European Union's Humanitarian Aid department ECHO gave 769 000 000 EURO in humanitarian aid, that is equal to $1 199 275 296,41.
In 2007, DG ECHO allocated 55% of its final budget to the ACP countries, with the largest funding for Sudan with € 110.45 million and the Democratic Republic of Congo (€ 50 million). The other major interventions in Africa were Chad (€ 30.5 million), Zimbabwe (€ 30.2 million), Sahel (€ 25.5 million), Uganda (€ 24 million) and Ethiopia (€ 20 million).
16.2% were allocated to the Middle East and Mediterranean countries and the New Independent States: in the northern Caucasus, the Commission approved the amount of € 20.8 million to help the victims of the Chechnya conflict. In the Middle East, DG ECHO pursued its response to the further deteriorated humanitarian situation by providing more than € 88 million of aid. This aid permitted to cover the needs of the most vulnerable populations of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. This amount was also used to respond to the internal crisis in Iraq, including refugees in neighbouring countries.
Finally, 20.5% of the budget was allocated in Asian countries and Latin America, with € 27 million addressed to vulnerable people affected by the Afghan crisis and natural hazards in Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan. € 19 million were allocated to Myanmar and the Burmese refugees along the Thai-Myanmar border as well as € 19.5 million to South Asian countries, without taking into account disaster preparedness funding (DIPECHO), for the recovery of communities affected by floods. € 12 million were allocated to provide assistance to the victims of the conflict in Colombia. However, a series of natural disasters affected both South and Central America (earthquake in Peru, hurricane in Nicaragua, floods in Bolivia and Colombia, cold wave in Peru and droughts and wildfires in Paraguay) and required un-programmed ECHO intervention amounting € 19 million.
Other expenditure (8.3%) was used for technical assistance, support expenditure and partners' funding (thematic) . More detailed information on the use of funds for humanitarian aid can be found under section key figures on humanitarian aid.
Besides the fund that ECHO gives out each member state have their own humanitarian aid programs. Also note that peacekeeping troops are not counted into any of these numbers.
When it comes to peacekeeping forces the EU is new in this field. Until very recently each member state has funded and decided on their own regarding peacekeeping forces. This is slowly changing and EU is taking a larger part. Also dont mix EU forces with NATO forces.
EUFOR or European Union Force is a term used to describe European Union military deployments, and has been used three times so far, in Bosnia from 2004 as EUFOR Althea, in the Democratic Republic of the Congo in 2006, and in Chad and the Central Africa Republic since 2007. EUFOR is a temporary military deployment, not a permanent military force, and should not be confused with the Eurocorps or the Helsinki Headline Goal Force Catalogue, sometime misleadingly known as the 'European Rapid Reaction Force'. The name probably was patterned in imitation of NATO's IFOR, SFOR, and KFOR.
And just like the humanitarian aid the different member states decides on their own if they want to send a peacekeeping force. For example, Sweden has peacekeeping forces in Afghanistan and Chad (as well as in other places) at the moment that are not connected with the EU.
{"commentId":2273168,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"simon-says"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":2273212,"authorDomain":"simon-says"}
EDIT: Somehow Newsvine cant format the sign for EUROs properly.. ^^
{"commentId":2273212,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"simon-says"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2273886,"authorDomain":"prezo"}
1.6:
This whole "destiny" type speech makes me want to vomit a little.
Meaning, I kind of want to vomit.
Not I want to vomit a small amount.
I disliked it with Bush too.
I get put off with emotional appeals.
Just sayen'
On one hand you say you get put off by emotional appeals.
On the other hand, some speeches make you want to vomit, i.e., you have an emotional reaction to some speeches.
Just sayin'.
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- 6 votes
{"commentId":2274740,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
how many iraqi refugees our stupid war has caused were taken in by the sweden, there bill?
and how many have we take in? seems a bit lop sided huh? How about get off yoru horse and realise that europe does sometimes clean up our mess for us, at great price to their own local populous.
Lago is the mayor of this scenic Swedish town of 60,000 people, which last year took in twice as many Iraqi refugees as the entire United States, almost all of them Christians
yeah american foots the burdon for everythign right?
{"commentId":2274740,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":2274903,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
I'm well aware of the EU's contributions in Africa which while laudable aren't really in the same category as Afghanistan insofar as proximate threats are concerned or in terms of the potential disaster if things go back down the crapper.
One thing I did think of when reading Obama's speech (they're far less impressive in terms of intellectual coherence in print than they are in the audio as the sonorous delivery masks the intellectual shortcomings) is how ironic it was that he should be giving a speech in the country and city where a US military presence over long years served as the bulwark against tyranny. Odd that.
{"commentId":2274903,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2275094,"authorDomain":"scipio-africanus"}
{"commentId":2275286,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
Felt compelled to correct the #----- 200,000
{"commentId":2275286,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"lasong"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2275292,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}
Doctors Without Borders is a French outfit.
I disagree that the Europeans are not bearing burdens and acting responsibly. They are the ones clamoring for the shutting down of the prisons at Guantanamo. They are the ones demanding habeas corpus, trials, and humane treatment.
And they have already accepted more refugees from this current Iraq conflict than we have.
They embrace the message that Sen. Obama is sending: That if given the chance, he will change things, change the culture of diplomacy, and be more receptive to other views.
{"commentId":2275292,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"caroaber"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2275392,"authorDomain":"scipio-africanus"}
{"commentId":2275416,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.
OML, what size is Boston, Mass that the cars are helping to melt the ice caps in the Artic and shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic?
With reason the Germans, et al in Berlin wanted to hear more about the nominee of the 57 States in America.
{"commentId":2275416,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2275622,"authorDomain":"scipio-africanus"}
{"commentId":2275693,"authorDomain":"njb"}
Bill has raised a fair point--true.
While I many of us have been well aware our foreign policy has had--can we say-not pleasant effects? The one thing we can brag about without much argument is how generous the American people are. Somehow--its just in our nature.
Are other countries helping the victims of tragedy in the rest of the world? Of course. Not sure they do it to the same level the American people do though.
That being said--I agree with Partisan Hack--I see this speech as almost a shot across the bow--fess up/own up. This is now a global economy if you want to take part in the plunder--share the responsibility.
{"commentId":2275693,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"njb"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2275787,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}
Speeches that intimate that it is his destiny to be there, now, is in my humble opinion, an emotional appeal.
And that speech makes me want to vomit.
Not as much as watching McCain ride around in a gold cart with elder Bush...
But I still want to vomit.
Perhaps you're an Obama supporter, and that's all fine and dandy...but I'm not so easily swept away with rhetoric.
{"commentId":2275787,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2276245,"authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
Yea, it was great. It sorta reminds me of those old NAZI films of der Furer and all those who follow blindly. Yea, it was great. Sieg... oops.
{"commentId":2276245,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2276299,"authorDomain":"simon-says"}
The great irony is that homegrown Muslim terrorists are a much bigger threat to EU nations than they are to the U.S. and they're much closer ideologically and physically to Jihadists than the U.S. is.
Wrong. IRA and ETA are a MUCH larger terrorist threat than muslim terrorists like al Qaeda.
In April 2007, Europol issued the latest version of its "EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report". Widely reported across the world, the report painted a picture of a range of currently active groups and threats across European countries. One area in which the report provoked particular debate was on the question of how significant the Islamist terrorist threat is compared to other forms of terrorism, such as nationalist or anarcho-communist violence.
The report concluded that, over 2006, EU countries experienced just under 500 terrorist "attacks". Most of these were symbolic attacks causing small amounts of damage and no major casualties, although two foiled Islamist attacks in the UK and Germany appeared to have had the intention of causing mass casualties. The picture of arrests and convictions of terrorist suspects painted a picture of geographical clustering of much of the terrorist activity in UK, France and Spain. It also showed that these and other countries appeared to consider the Islamist threat the most dangerous and pressing one, despite the nature of most of the actual recorded attacks. Half of the 706 arrests in the EU during 2006 were of Islamist terrorist suspects, while Islamist-authored attacks accounted for less than 1 percent of the recorded incidents over the same period. France, Spain, Italy and the Netherlands recorded the highest numbers of Islamist-related terrorist arrests.
[...]
Europe is still suffering a high degree of activity by nationalist and separatist groups, and has seen a small resurgence in the activities of anarchist and extreme left-wing groups over the last year. The latter carried out 55 attacks in 2006, mostly in Greece, Italy, Spain and Germany. In May 2006, the Greek organization Epanastatikos Agonas (Revolutionary Struggle) narrowly failed to assassinate the Greek Minister of Culture. In Italy, the Red Brigades appear to be still active, and have successfully assassinated government officials twice since 1999. In February 2007, the Italian police arrested 19 members of a breakaway group called the Political-Military Communist Party, and uncovered a large cache of weapons[iii].
The "muslim threat" is a made-up fear by the media and right-wing politicians.
Are other countries helping the victims of tragedy in the rest of the world? Of course. Not sure they do it to the same level the American people do though.
Yeah, I guess that is why the U.S. was in March 2008 $2.4 billion behind in its treaty obligations to the United Nations? And that is why USA NEVER gives 1% of it's yearly BNP in humanitarian aid?
{"commentId":2276299,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"simon-says"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2283542,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
The "muslim threat" is a made-up fear by the media and right-wing politicians.
I believe that notion might strike the families of some 300 dead Spaniards and Londoners as passing odd.
{"commentId":2283542,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2284775,"authorDomain":"SepticSkeptic"}
Last year (2007) the European Union's Humanitarian Aid department ECHO gave 769 000 000 EURO in humanitarian aid, that is equal to $1 199 275 296,41.
35% of all humanitarian assistance dollars, according to OCHA (the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs), came from the united states in 2006 (the most recent year for which they have figures prepared. That's 35% from a country with 25% of the world's economy. Americans privately give ten times the percentage of their incomes to charity that Europeans do. Don't give me this horse@!$%# about America not pulling its weight on the "do-gooder" front. Any statistics you cite almost certainly only capture tax dollars given by the government. Check out globalhumanitarianassistance.org. I really don't think the recipients of aid care whether the donations were forced (taxed) or voluntary. I think they just want help. On my end, I'd rather get a warm and fuzzy feeling from voluntarily deciding that a hurricane victim in Myanmar needs my help than get disgruntled over having higher taxes.
I disagree that the Europeans are not bearing burdens and acting responsibly. They are the ones clamoring for the shutting down of the prisons at Guantanamo. They are the ones demanding habeas corpus, trials, and humane treatment.
Yeah, "clamoring" is really helpful. How burdensome is it to sit back and criticize someone else? The responsible thing would be to offer to take the inmates off our hands. Of course, they don't want them, and neither do the countries they came from. They want us to turn them loose in the streets of Miami.
And they have already accepted more refugees from this current Iraq conflict than we have.
Hah. That's rich. They've had millions of illiegal muslim immigrants crashing their borders for over a decade. The only reason that they're more likely to legalize an Iraqi is that Iraqi illegals have a stronger case for political asylum than, say, Saudi illegals. All it really takes is some (perjured?) statements that they'd be individually targeted for assassination (such as, for being known to work with/for the Americans). On top of that, these refugees aren't the impoverished underclass your bleeding heart would like to imagine. It takes money to get out of Iraq. The poor can't afford to escape, the ones who are running away are the ones that are needed to rebuild the country. It's the doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc, that are taking their money and running (more to places like Syria than to the EU).
Yeah, I guess that is why the U.S. was in March 2008 $2.4 billion behind in its treaty obligations to the United Nations?
What in the wide, wide world of sports does failing to chip in for Khofi Anan's son's beer fund have to do with humanitarian assistance???
And that is why USA NEVER gives 1% of it's yearly BNP in humanitarian aid?
What is BNP? Is that like GDP? In any case, nobody gives 1% or more.
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{"commentId":2270999,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
The world sees the present U.S. regime with so much contempt, that they hope they will get something different. The problem is that they won't. More of the same damn rhetoric about freedom, like Bush, more of the same damn imperial policies, and what they will get, that is new, a new sell out flavor, which could have just as well been Hillary, two complicit criminal parties, and worthless political hacks.
They probably wanted to see the first African American President, and that fundamental change, will produce a barrell of nothing.
{"commentId":2270999,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 5 votes
#2 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:45 PM EDT{"commentId":2271068,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Eric,
Name me one politician who you think did a decent job.
We can't be negative forever. It's too convenient. It doesn't ask anything of us. Action takes risking taking a chance on people who are all too human dealing with other people who are all too human. That's democracy. We do our best and then the next person tries.
{"commentId":2271068,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 21 votes
{"commentId":2271322,"authorDomain":"lilorphant"}
The office holder is less important that the office, and seriously whoever wins can't help but bring more dignity to the oval office than it has seen in almost a decade.
For all the "small government" rhetoric, the GOP by proxy has taken power away from the people, to innovate, to recover from losses, to be self-responsible by setting impossible policies. NCLB, FEMA, Patriot Act, FISA, deregulation, privatization of essential military and government functions to cronies and friends, and out of these policies our own destiny has been compromised. While we let big daddy do everything to protect us, our futures have been auctioned off to the communist Chinese government.
{"commentId":2271322,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"lilorphant"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":2271780,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Partisan; That is the problem with the way you phrased the question. If you are asking the wrong questions, you are getting the same wrong, narrow choices. The issue is not individual political hacks. The issue is their class and imperial policies.
The definitions of a social revolution, compared to the weeny 'Political revolution', i.e. musical chairs, is the definition of fundamental change, not cosmetic change, and only represents a sell out flavor, that in the end could reproduce another Colin Powell, Condaleeza Rice, Gonzales, all class thugs for the corporate, imperial system.
That is not democracy. Class policies as soon as they were institutionalized in the POST Enlightenment, under NAPOLEON, with its class laws, and class mechanism, serving commercial capitalists, it reproduced enslaving labor procesess, along with PROPERTY RIGHTS, over SOCIAL, inalienable right. Now you will understand that the inherent principle behind Democracy is egalitarian, social wealth, not class wealth, corrupted Democracy. Social values have degraded over 200 years into class values, and narrow non changes, that have morphed into the imperial, fascist plutocracy. The proof is OBAMA'S support of fascist enabling legislation, and fascist foreign policies which both OBAMA AND MCCAIN ENDORSE.
{"commentId":2271780,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2272083,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
That is the problem with the way you phrased the question. If you are asking the wrong questions, you are getting the same wrong, narrow choices. The issue is not individual political hacks. The issue is their class and imperial policies.
No, I think that this is the question that I need to ask you. You can spout off about class warfare all you want but eventually someone has to lead. Otherwise nothing changes. Politics is the art of the achievable. So you can make noise about politicians all you want, but eventually you have to say who you think is going to do the job. Otherwise it's just an intellectual circle jerk. Which is fine if you want a university job, but we're out to change the world for real, not to talk about why everyone else's system stinks.
It's a bit like the Peanuts comic strip character Lucy van Pelt, who once said "I love mankind, it's people I can't stand!" Eventually it comes to to fallible, imperfect people who are courageous enough to take the next step with the right ideals in mind. So, who's your choice?
{"commentId":2272083,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 17 votes
{"commentId":2272466,"authorDomain":"agio"}
My sense is that Eric is waiting for the Revolution to rise spontaneously out of the collective pain of the proletariat, rather as the Great Pumpkin rises out of his pumpkin patch each Halloween.
(I guess your Peanuts analogy got me thinking.)
{"commentId":2272466,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"agio"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2272621,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
agio;
All social revolutions, including our Western deformed, partial social revolutions, that reproduced the Enlightenment, national democratic revolutions, were not waiting for permission from KING GEORGE, but like all social revolutions were made from its middle and working classes, not the class elites and you don't know your history.
{"commentId":2272621,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2272764,"authorDomain":"agio"}
Well, I know my history well enough to know that real revolutions are generally bloody, messy affairs with ambivalent outcomes, in which the biggest thugs end up running the show.
I'll stick to incremental political change through the concerted energy of an informed citizenry. Less romantic I'm sure, but with fewer firing squads.
{"commentId":2272764,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"agio"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2273145,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}
Can I just open my mouth and say how refreshing it is to see an intelligent political argument taking place? With valid points on BOTH sides?!
{"commentId":2273145,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2273936,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
jen orozco; For these class liberals, it is everything about appearances. At least you know where the class thugs, republicans stand, they come right out and lie and say they didn't do it, but they are for it.
The class liberals will always capitulate, appease these corporate fascists, and imperial policies. The blather about a humanitarian mission for Afghanistan, would not even be needed, if the U.S and NATO were not destroying that country, like they have Iraq, and turning what was a criminal matter into war criminals and war crimes.
Today Democracy NOW, Amy Goodman's show exposed the rot of liberal class hypocrisy, showing that the West has murdered more innocent people than the Taliban;
All under the pretense, appearance of retaliation, that should never have been militarized. Can you imagine France bombing the U.S. Because some redneck fascist racist yahoos decided to bomb the 'FRENCHIES', and they instead of treating it a criminal matter turned it into a phony war of terrorism, into a war of imperialism. HERE IS THE LINK:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/24/the_forgotten_war_sonali_kolhatkar_on
The corporate media, OBAMA, The democrats, and even the liberal left has been snookered by this fasle framework, false strategy which will break the bank of the U.S. and take down eveyone, including the world economy, and ours as well.
{"commentId":2273936,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2273980,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
Please click on Video real stream to see Sonali's excellent condemnation of Afghanistan and U.S/Nato imperialism.
{"commentId":2273980,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"eric-albert"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2274971,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Eric writes:
All social revolutions, including our Western deformed, partial social revolutions, that reproduced the Enlightenment, national democratic revolutions, were not waiting for permission from KING GEORGE, but like all social revolutions were made from its middle and working classes, not the class elites. . .
That's so laughably wrong it's hard to contain the mirth. The middle classes as we consider them today didn't even much exist in western Europe prior to the mid to late nineteenth century and the advent of the Industrial Revolution. The driving force for revolution both in Colonial America and France came from men of fairly high rank like Washington, Jefferson, etc. and Robespierre and Saint-Just in France. Lenin and Trotsky, of course, had nothing but contempt for the proletariat.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2276285,"authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
I agree with you Eric Albert, about there being little difference in the choices, but I agree with Bill Harrison about the class structure during the time of King George.
It would be refreshing to have a person like Stormin' Norman, or Colin Powell, or Connie Rice run for office.
We need statesmen rather than politicians.
VIVA el Revolution!
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2276853,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}
Colin Powell and Condi Rice have been enablers for the Bush regime...
How could that possibly be seen as an asset?
{"commentId":2276853,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2284782,"authorDomain":"SepticSkeptic"}
That's so laughably wrong it's hard to contain the mirth.
Damn...you beat me to it. I was just going to ask in what universe a collection of Virginia Planters constituted a working or middle class!
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{"commentId":2287419,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
They probably wanted to see the first African American President, and that fundamental change, will produce a barrell of nothing.
Eric that "Citizens of the world" speech sounds more and more like 200,000 people that came from over the globe and meet Obama.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2287507,"authorDomain":"scipio-africanus"}
{"commentId":2292597,"authorDomain":"a0ted"}
I watched the crowd on TV and I think that 200,000 was exagerated to the max.
{"commentId":2292597,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"a0ted"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2292625,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Hmm, I know that I would trust your estimate so much more than the Berlin Police, who need to calculate how many officers and barriers they need for crowd control.
If Obama were to walk on water some people would complain that he was trying to show off.
{"commentId":2292625,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
{"commentId":2311904,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
Determined - I heard Rick Davis this morning re: obama and his world tour describing obama as a "global celebrity" who had more fans worldwide than paris hilton......tee hee.
{"commentId":2311904,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"lisaed"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2271125,"authorDomain":"agio"}
It was interesting how he used the themes of the Berlin Airlift, and also alluded to Reagan's "tear down this wall" moment. All in all, a good speech.
{"commentId":2271125,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"agio"}
- 12 votes
#3 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:54 PM EDT{"commentId":2271209,"authorDomain":"agio"}
Also, he didn't call himself a jelly donut. :)
{"commentId":2271209,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"agio"}
- 11 votes
{"commentId":2271217,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Not the most memorable speech, but he hit all of the right notes. He's trying to create unity, which is not always easy to do when you don't have a touchstone issue.
But the moment itself is extraordinary. Has there ever been a foreign campaign rally for the leader of the free world? Unheard of. He knows what he needs to do, that's for sure.
{"commentId":2271217,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":2272169,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
leader of the free world
Who is that supposed to be? Certainly not a US president. This ain't 1948 anymore.
{"commentId":2272169,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2272551,"authorDomain":"whackedman"}
I don't want a leader of the world, I want a leader of America. That the socialists are working up a frenzy over him in Germany, doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling here at home.
Our next president better concern himself more with the decomposition of America and less with the smirking of competing nations.
{"commentId":2272551,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"whackedman"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2274754,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
funny wacked and you wouldn't be screaming for obama's head if amadinajad supported him huh? wouldn't it be nice for the world to like us again, to want to help us again. you know we own the world a ton of money, might be nice to have them on our side when we ask to have our debts forgiven.
I'm quite sure you would be going ape, if it was mccain they supported.
and it is bush that claims to lead the world.. it is obama that claims to treat the world as equals.
I want a president that can build real coalitions not like e ones bush built buy buying half of africa and threaqtening others with loss of aid. So that perhaps our troups could have a bit more help. I want a elader that isnt going to try to give a back rub to the elected leader of germany. I want a leader that takes meating with the g-8 seriously. I want a leader the entire planet doesn't laugh at. ANd more improtantly, I want a leader who isnt going to run the coutnry into the ground all int he name of so called "free enterprise"
last cryign socialism when we have to bail out the rich left and right this year, isnt esxxactly going to get americans to pick up the pichforks against obama.
{"commentId":2274754,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2275205,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
Whacked Man,
I don't want a leader of the world I want a leader of America.
You may not want it, but as a leader of a "country" dealing with our allies and other leaders of countries is an integral and mandatory part of the President's job and term while he's in office, just like the state leaders must deal with other state leaders. It's not an option for them.
{"commentId":2275205,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"lasong"}
{"commentId":2276308,"authorDomain":"simon-says"}
That the socialists are working up a frenzy over him in Germany, doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling here at home.
No real European socialist would vote for Obama. Cause he is not a leftist or even close to an socialist.
{"commentId":2276308,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"simon-says"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2276389,"authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
Wrong Simon, this boy is way out in left field. You better read his book and look and see who his friends are. And listen to what he is really saying. If you do your homework, you will see how F**ked up his designs on the country are.
{"commentId":2276389,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2276412,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
No George, Simon is right. No European socialis would vote for Obama. The reason is simple: No European leftist would vote for ANY American whomever it may be.
{"commentId":2276412,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2281187,"authorDomain":"whackedman"}
When you're driving across a bridge as it's collapsing I hope you have time to think about Obama posturing to the Germans.
Or when you're getting shot at by an AK-47 wielded by an illegal immigrant gang banger you can thank the stars knowing that everything is swell because they like Obama overseas.
And find a shady place in the park after you lose your house and your job and rest easy knowing that at least we're not getting laughed at by our "friends" anymore.
America's greatest problems are here at home. But Obama has sent a clear message about where his priorities lie.
You know what he is? He's Bush with a basketball.
{"commentId":2281187,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"whackedman"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2284813,"authorDomain":"SepticSkeptic"}
wouldn't it be nice for the world to like us again
Couldn't. Care. Less. How much disaster aid did they send for California wildfires and Midwest flooding when they did like us more? What do we gain from "making them like us"? I'd rather we liked our President than the rest of the world did.
you know we own the world a ton of money, might be nice to have them on our side when we ask to have our debts forgiven
That's either the dumbest, the most naive (excepting Eric's social theories), or the most dishonest thing I've heard in a while. We're going to ask them to forgive the debt of the richest nation on earth? If Bill Gates owed you $20,000, would you let it slide? First, we wouldn't ask. Second, they'd laugh and call them due on the spot.
So that perhaps our troups could have a bit more help
There's another laugh. Even in the conflicts they believe in, our non-British allies carry about 5-10% of the fight. Europe doesn't take action against bad people, they discuss the situation in a committee and scold them in press conferences.
last cryign socialism when we have to bail out the rich left and right this year, isnt esxxactly going to get americans to pick up the pichforks against obama.
Who's bailing out the rich this year? Oh, and in case you hadn't noticed, it's the rich who are supporting Obama. Case in point would be Warren Buffet raising money for him in Minneapolis. See, the rich get ahead by playing the middle class against the poor. All of these "punish the rich for being rich" income redistribution initiatives are really aimed at keeping the middle class down. They are nothing but pinpricks to the truly wealthy, but they keep the middle class riff-raff out by crippling their ability to rise any futher.
No real European socialist would vote for Obama. Cause he is not a leftist or even close to an
{"commentId":2284813,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"SepticSkeptic"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2271269,"authorDomain":"otb"}
I'm giddy about having a presidential nominee that gives me goosebumps when I watch him speak instead of making me cringe...
and in spite of your negativity Eric, the gist of this entire speech was cooperation and communication - a theme that's been COMPLETELY MISSING for the last 8 years in this country.
Spout all the "empty rhetoric" and "sell out" jaded bull you want, but to even have these themes said out loud is already a change.
Inspiration is what's been missing from the office of our nation's figurehead! It's not about what your country can do for you!
{"commentId":2271269,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"otb"}
- 15 votes
#4 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:04 PM EDT{"commentId":2271482,"authorDomain":"mrmajek"}
I was just reading on another site some exchanges and it seems that a lot of people are feeling a little prouder lately. Let's admit it...the guy did well. If Bush would ever say something that wasn't a lie or blatantly ignorant I would be proud of him, as he represents us. There are always people who are contrary and too rigid to accept that its not always about winning and losing. And its days like this that make me smile...knowing that THEY KNOW THEY LOST.
{"commentId":2271482,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mrmajek"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":2271990,"authorDomain":"kellywvinson"}
{"commentId":2274785,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
How about the Berlin wall comming down as a result of the world comming together?
um bush didn't bring down the wall
{"commentId":2274785,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
{"commentId":2276209,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
No Bush just brought down a Country ours. As for the speech in Berlin I didn't see anyone with guns holding that massive crowd in the square to hear Obama speak and we have a lot of American voters in Germany, and other countries where he visited. It gave me hope for this country more then McCain sitting in a German bar or visiting a grocery store. Dakcaus (sp)in a Tank kind of photo op.
{"commentId":2276209,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"yorkark"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2276289,"authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
That son of a @!$%# makes me sick. He is a lying, elitist, racist bastard.
{"commentId":2276289,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2276994,"authorDomain":"jenn79"}
As much as I can't stand Obama, this type of comment is annoying.
{"commentId":2276994,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"jenn79"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2277595,"authorDomain":"kellywvinson"}
{"commentId":2284829,"authorDomain":"SepticSkeptic"}
Berlin I didn't see anyone with guns holding that massive crowd in the square to hear Obama speak and we have a lot of American voters in Germany
Oh, so he was pandering to the absentee ballot crowd...those weren't Germans at all, thanks for clearing that up for me. ~eyeroll~
{"commentId":2284829,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"SepticSkeptic"}
{"commentId":2286818,"authorDomain":"dfox"}
otb...seriously.."giddy" and "goosebumps" WOW! What you should be is frightened! Educate yourself about this man, and tell me please for the love of all things, what does he stand for, how is he going to change things. Fluff with no substance is empty rhetoric..sorry that is just the way it is.
{"commentId":2286818,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"dfox"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2272100,"authorDomain":"stan-smith"}
The crowd and its reception of Obama's speech has signalled that many continue to yearn for the leadership and inspiration America is noted for( JFK; Ronald Reagan ). Americans should be proud of
of this young and energetic leader.
{"commentId":2272100,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"stan-smith"}
- 13 votes
#5 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:11 PM EDT{"commentId":2272193,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
continue to yearn for the leadership and inspiration America is noted for
No, they yearn that America will stop killing innocents by the 100.000.
American leadership is the last thing they want because America just leads into one direction: war.
Just to make one thing clear. Curiosity has made Germans take a look at Obama, not yearning.
{"commentId":2272193,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2272419,"authorDomain":"charnello"}
MW,
Quote Obama:
I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions.
You may be right on curiosity over yearning being the German draw, but America does good around the world. It's not all war.
{"commentId":2272419,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"charnello"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2272574,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Bush's America is not America. Hopefully we can bring America back.
{"commentId":2272574,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 13 votes
{"commentId":2273673,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
charnello
Read the entire speech and isolate what he wants from Germany:
You can sum it up in just one word:
Troops
All the rest of the speech was whipped cream.
{"commentId":2273673,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2274789,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
Troops
so obama probably could get us more help in places like aphghanistan than mccain, as obviouisly noted from havign 200k at this rally.
so..this is a good thing,.
{"commentId":2274789,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2274828,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
That stands out of doubt.
Obama doesn't have to do policy change. He IS policy change.
(And McCain would likely be the end of NATO)
{"commentId":2274828,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2275232,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
MW, Curiosity has made them (Germans) take a look at Obama not yearning
Curiosity didn't make them waive the American flag
{"commentId":2275232,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"lasong"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2276501,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
Ever thought about the idea that the flag wavers were maybe - ummm- Americans?
{"commentId":2276501,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2276652,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
There were some interviews shown. You may be correct. I'm sure they're were both in the crowd. But it I really liked seeing it.
{"commentId":2276652,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"lasong"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2280892,"authorDomain":"charnello"}
Reading the entire speech, I can also see he wants renewed relationships with Europe. If those relationships pull troops, fine. If they also pool resources so as to deal with global issues, all the better.
Again, it's not just war.
{"commentId":2280892,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"charnello"}
{"commentId":2272564,"authorDomain":"zennhead"}
BFD. The novices and those with no sense or knowledge of history fall for this Kennedy esque evoking moment ... but Obama ain't no Kennedy. Not JFK nor RFK. JFK was well groomed, well educated, well trained. He was a seasoned and legitimate military hero. He had truly put himself in serious harms way for his PT boat men. He paid for that action with pain the rest of his life. His father was an ambassador, and Kennedy had already served in the U.S. House and Senate. His brother Joe was also a legitimate war hero. This guy Obama has done zero in comparison to Kennedy, and what is amazing is that people all over the country (and world) are so frigging desperate for American magic that they're buying this load of crap hook, line and sinker. Those of us who are Baby Boomers, and know the difference between this clown Obama, and JFK and RFK, should make our voices known. The same for the last of the WW II veteran voters and Korean War veteran voters. This is not JFK and Jaqueline Kenndy at the helm here; nor, RFK and Ethel. This is a phony, who has a gift for giving great oration. JFK was a seasoned and experienced legislator, too. This guy Obama is such a flim flam guy it's pathetic. The American Empire will not be salvaged by a smart orator with little wisdom gained from governance, much less, legislative combat. He's a skater, and this is a true "Affirmative Action" campaign: that means that because this guy is African-American, he tries to nudge out every single legitimate claim or counter to what he says as racist, or, somehow unfair. He is afraid to allow the true details of his 1981 trip to Pakistan emerge, and he is ashamed of his Muslim connections from the past. Regardless of what kind of school he was raised in in Indonesia, he was exposed and immersed (his own words) in a Muslim society. His father and step father were nominally muslims. He visited Pakistan and India, and Muslim Kenya, and clearly sought out Pakistani and Indian friends at Occidental and Columbia, and chose to go to one of the most radical Islamic nations in the world at the time -- i.e., Pakistan. He will not allow those same Pakistani and Indian friends now speak freely about the trip, but his friends (google: Obama discloses 1981 Pakistan and India Trip) state that they have concerns Americans will put together Obama and Muslim and make some negative inferences. It isnt important that he was or is muslim (he's not, I get that). What's important is that we're being asked to take this charlatan as President with these minimum qualifications and bona fides, and, that we're being told "no, you can't ask for detail about that trip." If I tell you it is so, then it is so. Just stop bringing up Islam. The Baby Boomers who have seasoned over time know this is only a guy claiming to be some "heir apparent" to the Kennedy aura. Not even close. Maybe Obama should suggest to his supporters that if they dont want to be this generation's Dick Cheney's, they should enlist in the military, because he's going to keep the military busy for the next four to eight years, if he follows through, and attacks Pakistan, fights to defeat the Taliban, and pulls out of Iraq. And, make some kind of deals with the Palestinians, Israelis, Syrians, and, of course, Iranians, which will allow him to be all things to all people. Which is what he is: a typical politician trying to be what people want him to be.
{"commentId":2272564,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"zennhead"}
- 6 votes
#6 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:51 PM EDT{"commentId":2272711,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
zennhead,
Kind of a windy comment, but a few points:
JFK was well groomed, well educated, well trained.
Obama isn't? This guy's sharp. You know it. And he did it without a powerful family. He's not Kennedy, he doesn't try to be Kennedy, but clearly his legacy comes from Kennedy.
His father and step father were nominally muslims. He visited Pakistan and India, and Muslim Kenya, and clearly sought out Pakistani and Indian friends at Occidental and Columbia, and chose to go to one of the most radical Islamic nations in the world at the time -- i.e., Pakistan.
And..he's a devout Christian. Who at least has a sense of what the world is about in more than passing detail. That's a powerful combination that can help America to succeed.
You're free to wallow in the free-form skepticism that has kept America chained to corporatists in ignorance but I for one feel that American deserves better. It's time for America note to be afraid to demand things of both our government and from one another. It's time to be real citizens instead of carping crybabies who are afraid to move forward. Obama for President.
{"commentId":2272711,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":2272870,"authorDomain":"striper295"}
And do you speak for Ted Kennedy?
{"commentId":2272870,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"striper295"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2272934,"authorDomain":"kissmyconservativism"}
It's time to be real citizens instead of carping crybabies who are afraid to move forward.
Didn't Phil Gramm get excoriated when he called public a bunch of whiners? Why is it okay for libs to call names & not anyone that doesn't goose-step the liberal way?
barry isn't sharp, do you listen when he speaks without a teleprompter?
Methinks that's why he avoids such venues as town hall discussions.
He's a hack, fake, and jeesse jakson is right, He's a no-good half-breed son of a goat-herder.
Shame on him for disrespecting our wounded warriors.
A devout Christian? What church has he affiliated with since his "spiritual leader, rev. wright- the like an uncle to me" got bus tire tracks up his back?
Wise up Hack!
Dogs Rule!
{"commentId":2272934,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"kissmyconservativism"}
{"commentId":2272983,"authorDomain":"holysandal"}
zennhead,
I'll be happy to read your posts when you learn about the paragraph.
{"commentId":2272983,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"holysandal"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":2272984,"authorDomain":"kellywvinson"}
{"commentId":2273193,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Why is it okay for libs to call names & not anyone that doesn't goose-step the liberal way?
You know what, you're whining.
I don't think that Americans as a whole are whiners. But I do think that there's a bunch of folks out there who have been whining about liberal this and liberal that and never getting off their butts to do something constructive for America. Phil Gramm should have been raked as he did because his comments were about Americans whining about how hard the economy is. Well, you know what, Americans DO have a right to whine about an economy that's been totally hosed by eight years of Bush nonsense.
As far as our troops I saw a whole lot of them cheering Obama in Iraq a few days ago. You don't have to wear a codpiece in your flight suit to be a man. Just take care of business.
So quit your cussin' and do something positive for America for a change of pace. You wouldn't know a real president if you tripped over him on your way off the floor in the men's room.
{"commentId":2273193,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2273365,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
PH, Obama is urging even more suckling at the teet of uncle shugah, more government intrusion into our lives and more government dependance is hardly a recipe for "real citizens instead of carping crybabies who are afraid to move forward. "
Well, given that Wal-Mart, Wall Street, Halliburton and ExxonMobil have been doing most of the sucking on Washington's teat as of late maybe it's time that Uncle Sam decided to rearrange his priorities a bit. Clearly he hasn't helped you to get any less ignorant, so I guess that he has work to do.
As for intrusion, try saying "terrorist" on your next phone call. Uncle Sam is listening, thanks to George "Never Met a Freedom That Wasn't Worth Taking Away" Bush.
If you want to wave your rebel flag and drink yourself under the table as most of your kind do then be my guest, you'll be gone that much sooner and America will be a better place.
{"commentId":2273365,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":2273753,"authorDomain":"kissmyconservativism"}
You wouldn't know a real president if you tripped over him on your way off the floor in the men's room.
Like jimmy carter?
You spend alot of time in men's rooms?
wah, wah!
oh yeah, Dogs Rule!
{"commentId":2273753,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"kissmyconservativism"}
{"commentId":2273783,"authorDomain":"kissmyconservativism"}
Well, given that Wal-Mart, Wall Street, Halliburton and ExxonMobil have been doing most of the sucking on Washington's teat as of late
Spoken like a true socialist welfare lovin' liberal!
Dogs, well you know!
RULE
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{"commentId":2274860,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
can you show me where he wont let people speak about this pakistani trip that he himself brought up to show he has been out of the us barack pakistan trip. more on pakistan I cant find anywhere except a coupel commentors in the usual blogs that questions the trip.. please link me to reliable media.or at least fox.
{"commentId":2274860,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2275079,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
Zenhead,
I hate to burst your bubble, but I'm a boomer and Barack Obama is getting my vote and my husband's as well. A big deal for my husband as he was a registered republican (thats a fact, no big secet. I always joke that we had a mixed marriage, one republican and one democrat.) There are many boomers who do not share your opinion.
But as they say, dissent is one of the highest forms of patriotism. You're welcome to your opinion. I have mine.
{"commentId":2275079,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"lasong"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2275220,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
A chicken in every pot!,
Now on my ignore list.
Next time I need to be reminded why we need better education in this country I'll turn you back on.
{"commentId":2275220,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2276315,"authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
Partisan you are truly a hack!
Your following this figure, blindly.
At the beginning of the Democratic Primaries, I was impressed and hopeful. I thought we might have a new dawning. Then after doing some very basic research, and listening carefully to the man's comments, and seeing who he associates with, I became horrified by what he seems likely to do to this country.
I am not a fan of John McCain, but it is my feeling that would do less harm than Barack Obama.
I do not feel Obama is what he portrays himself to be. And I have lived through several Democratic administrations. I fear he will be the worst!
He didn't bother to vote on half the bills presented in his first term in the Senate! I could go on and on, but I do not think you are capable of objective thinking, you are too emotional about this candidate.
{"commentId":2276315,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2276343,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}
Muslim Kenya
That's a new one on me. Perhaps a lot has changed since my birth in Kenya.
Pathetic.
{"commentId":2276343,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2276425,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
LOL Raat
That was what I was thinking - like: "Ummmm, What?????"
{"commentId":2276425,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2276459,"authorDomain":"stan-smith"}
John McCain+George Bush= 12 years of the decline of America.
History will severely judge this generation for accepting that equation.
The election of Barak Obama is one chance to change that equation and allow America to regain some of its lost image. How can we afford to extend the misguided policies that resulted in a plethora of ills for our people?
(1) Katrina -an administration's bungling and inept approach to caring for its people.
(2) Invasion of a sovereign state based upon lies and distortions-a bully!
(3) Unwillingness to pursue the perpetrators of 9/11-(A loss of pride in the power of our great nation?)
(4) Wholesale shipping of American jobs and wealth to foreign nations who could not care less about Americans.
(5) Neglect of the education and health systems.
(6) Pampering of the rich and crushing of the middle class and poor.
{"commentId":2276459,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"stan-smith"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2277442,"authorDomain":"garyackerman"}
To sum up what Obama is: IS a FLIM FLAM man. And whatever else you do, do not bring up the :|"race" card. That can only be used by Obama, not us honkeys>>>>>>>>>
{"commentId":2277442,"threadId":"319033","contentId":"1692453","authorDomain":"garyackerman"}
{"commentId":2277734,"authorDomain":"kellywvinson"}
{"commentId":2278281,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
George Haggard,
I became horrified by what he seems likely to do to this country.
Care to educate us on what is so frightening about Obama? What policies would bring our nation to its knees?
I read a lot of fear in your comment, but no real facts. So far what I hear from Obama is a message of hope, that we can begin to address the degradation of democracy in our nation to an extension of ExxonMobil's marketing strategy. Educate us, what is the great fear?
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{"commentId":2278301,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
YOU Sir are the ignorant one here. I bet you drive backwards everywhere you go.
Well, if I am so ignorant then perhaps you to can educate us on the great ideas that YOU have for moving the nation forward. So far all I've heard is a dog barking.
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{"commentId":2278362,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Nathaniel Smith,
I loved your list:
(1) Katrina -an administration's bungling and inept approach to caring for its people.
(2) Invasion of a sovereign state based upon lies and distortions-a bully!
(3) Unwillingness to pursue the perpetrators of 9/11-(A loss of pride in the power of our great nation?)
(4) Wholesale shipping of American jobs and wealth to foreign nations who could not care less about Americans.
(5) Neglect of the education and health systems.
(6) Pampering of the rich and crushing of the middle class and poor.
The express purpose of the Republican strategy is to make Americans think that the government has not ability to make their life better, that we're powerless to make it do things that improve society. I do believe that the poor relief effort management of Katrina was no accident. He DID think that Brownie was doing a "heckuva job" in the sense that he didn't WANT the government to empower the people, he wanted government to DISempower them, so that the rich could swoop in and do what they wanted - with government help, of course. At a fund-raiser early in his administration Bush said to a group of very wealthy people, "Some people call you the elite, I call you my base." That's really what it's about for Republicans, government of, by and for the elites. And as we can see that given free reign over this nation for seven years the elites do a very poor job of taking care of America.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2279374,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
Partisian Hack, Those you addressed except Mr. Smith are part of those that are just passing on the rumors of the vast rumor mill surrounds Obama. He is different, he is black and he frightening to them. Racisim is alive and well in many parts of the country we can only hope that they are fewer in mumber then in loudness.
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{"commentId":2279825,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Sally York,
Partisian Hack, Those you addressed except Mr. Smith are part of those that are just passing on the rumors of the vast rumor mill surrounds Obama. He is different, he is black and he frightening to them. Racisim is alive and well in many parts of the country we can only hope that they are fewer in mumber then in loudness.
In the past few weeks I've noticed an unusual surge (!) of these kinds of people on Newsvine, my assumption is that most of these negative contributors are part of the far right propaganda machine, organized by Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" in conjunction with other Republican initiatives. Look at the PUMA site, "Party Unity My A**," funded by Republicans but made to look like ticked-off Democrats. I think that what we're witnessing is an all-out propaganda war by the right to drown out any hint of rational discussion, thus tuning people out of the topics that they're afraid of people discussing and tuning people into bull. Fortunately there are a lot of rational voices along for the ride as well, so hopefully we can just keep punching away at the truth of the issues.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2279952,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
We know that the fringes of the political spectrum are small but loud and vicious. Yes as is the norm rational people will keep on track and eventually those disruptor's to honest debate will find another outlet for their venom.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2272696,"authorDomain":"kissmyconservativism"}
" And when I become supreme ruler of the one-world government, oops did I say that out loud?"
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- 3 votes
#7 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:03 PM EDT{"commentId":2272724,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
It was a little wierd that way, but if we were to have someone in that position some day he'd be as good a choice as any.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2272994,"authorDomain":"kissmyconservativism"}
If that's your belief, you are in need of an intense intervention, for your hallucinations are scarey. Set that crack-pipe down and back away slowly. As good a choice as any? IF he gets elected, we deserve this self-destructive government that we'll get.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2273004,"authorDomain":"kellywvinson"}
{"commentId":2273373,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
IF he gets elected, we deserve this self-destructive government that we'll get.
Gee, I guess that you haven't been tuned in for the past seven years...
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- 8 votes
{"commentId":2276224,"authorDomain":"gatelessgate"}
{"commentId":2288347,"authorDomain":"dfox"}
I am so sick of the blame Bush..bullsh*t I could scream. Isn't Obama one of the 545 currently in Congress that are responsible as well for whatever you see as being wrong with our country.
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{"commentId":2274276,"authorDomain":"xanthiana"}
Stupid question: Why is it such a bad thing that he was well received in Europe and other countries?
Aren't you guys a tad concerned about the poor image that was built around the US the past few years? Wouldn't you like the world to welcome your people rather then protest them? Just as quick comparison: When GWB came to Germany, his route was blocked due to the many protesters on the road (with the exception of his last visit, guess Germans realized he wasn't worth the trouble anymore, as he's on his way out). On the other hand you got a Barrack Obama who drew a crowd of 130.000 to 200.000 (depending on the source you use) that came cheering for him. Boy do I wish Merkel would be received like that in other countries ;-)
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- 7 votes
#10 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:46 PM EDT{"commentId":2274321,"authorDomain":"simon-says"}
Merkel didn't even talk or meet with Bush on his latest trip! :P
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2275148,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
X: The answer to your question why is it a bad thing that he was well received...
It isn't. It's a very good thing. This Europe and ME trip will NEVER be a waste. Even if he isNOTt elected, it was wonderful not to have to see the anti-American protesters and people waving a US flag instead of burning it. It's just more complaining and a little sour grapes because its not who they wanted to see. It's just part of it......
Trying to unite people can never ever be bad, no matter how anyone tries to tell you otherwise. As a side note, attacking Obama saying he would rather lose a war sounds desperate and low. McCain should have showed some class here, and he didn't.
Obama looked and reacted like the gentleman he is. Yet another reason......
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- 6 votes
{"commentId":2278454,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Merkel didn't even talk or meet with Bush on his latest trip! :P
Guess that she wasn't digging his back massages...
It will be so nice to have a President who actually knows how to act like a human being.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2280473,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
Bush's actions toward Merkel was totally disrespectful and that is how the Texas men I met in West Texas and in the oil country of California treat woman period. Just like in the very beginning of his Presidential rein when Laura his wife gave her opinion on abortion and he cut her down in public with the statement that my wife is entitled to her opinion, but it is my opinion that counts and I disagree.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2274465,"authorDomain":"wardoglrs"}
{"commentId":2274979,"authorDomain":"TiredofTaCrap"}
How did Obama become the best the Dem-o-craps have to offer?
What are his accomplishments, other than giving inspirational speeches?
His father and step father were nominally muslims. He visited Pakistan and India, and Muslim Kenya, and clearly sought out Pakistani and Indian friends at Occidental and Columbia, and chose to go to one of the most radical Islamic nations in the world at the time -- i.e., Pakistan.
He tries to appeal to all. Funny how quickly some people can be convinced of just about anything.
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- 1 vote
#12 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:48 PM EDT{"commentId":2275106,"authorDomain":"scipio-africanus"}
{"commentId":2275169,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
I watched it live in its entirety also. I completely disagree. It was not a policy or issue speech --it was based on points of unification. I think that's always pretty inspiring.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2275181,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Yep. I couldn't help but muse at the thought of another German politician gifted with rhetorical skills who united a people.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2275239,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
Ok. I left myself open, but that was bad.
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{"commentId":2276205,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}
We already get that you're not an Obama supporter. Why do you keep prattling on and repeating yourself? Try consolidating your comments.
Whether you like it or not, the senator from Illinois has momentum and is popular and embraced abroad. He has wide appeal. And audacity.
Stop whining.
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- 8 votes
{"commentId":2276471,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
And why were Germans waving American flags?
Hint: Because in the close environment as a backdrop for the speech and the cheering, many of those were no Germans at all but famlies of US military staged in Germany. This zone was invitation only. The "normal" Germans stood far behind.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2276616,"authorDomain":"alistairbrown"}
I must not be the only one here who finds it somewhat troubling that some parts of the right-wing demographic here on Newsvine consider a candidate further to the left than theirs, to be comparable to the the far-right Hitler. It smacks of the same idiocy oft quoted that the Nazi's were actually 'socialist'.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2277775,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}
Tired...Crap
chose to go to one of the most radical Islamic nations in the world at the time -- i.e., Pakistan.
So tell me friend. How would you describe the current administration's ploys with the current Pakistani Government who are its allies in the War on Terror?
Or how about a previous administration in the 80's that indirectly supported the then Pakistani administration led by Benazir Bhutto (now deceased) to support the guerillas to push the Soviets out of Afghanistan.
You will of course be well aware that the guy at the head of that guerilla outfit, aided, abetted and trained by the CIA, was no other than OBL himself.
What a load of croc. Indeed!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2278076,"authorDomain":"kellywvinson"}
{"commentId":2278516,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
I loved how Germany wouldn't let him speak in front of the Brandenburg Gate.
And why were Germans waving American flags?
Well, they were afraid of the implications of giving him the same platform as earlier U.S. presidents. No matter, it's their country.
As for the American flags, you should be grateful that the world loves what America SHOULD stand for - racial equality, equal opportunity, justice for all, democracy, liberty, fair play, peace through strength. Obama offered a fairly simple speech, but it was a speech that laid out the American Dream. The world loves that dream and we should be grateful that someone has the ability to project that message to the world. It's the most powerful weapon that we have against tyranny and terrorism. Give the world a chance for a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage in a place where you can mow your lawn in peace and freedom and the world goes for it.
It's really puzzling that Americans would reject that as a message to the world. You should be grateful that someone still knows how to tell the world that this is the real America, not a bunch of thugs who want to turn us back to the era of Hitler.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2278558,"authorDomain":"mwestenfelder"}
Kelly W
National-Socialism = all belongs and all works for the grandeur of the nation-state
vs.
Socialism = all belongs and all works for the liberation and just recognition of the international working class
The Hitler was a socialist argument comes only from the far right keen on veiling their own NAZI affinity.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2280312,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
You should be grateful that someone still knows how to tell the world that this is the real America, not a bunch of thugs who want to turn us back to the era of Hitler.
Partisan 12.12---I resent the fact that he feels that he is the chosen one to do such---I don't need Obama to give a speech to the masses in Germany for ME to know just who the "real" AMERICA is. I know who she is just fine.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2280884,"authorDomain":"simon-says"}
Give the world a chance for a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage in a place where you can mow your lawn in peace and freedom and the world goes for it.
Unfortunately the american dream is the perfect recipe for global disaster (and then I am ofc not referring to democracy etc).
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2283752,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Partisan 12.12---I resent the fact that he feels that he is the chosen one to do such---I don't need Obama to give a speech to the masses in Germany for ME to know just who the "real" AMERICA is. I know who she is just fine.
Well, your own feelings are your own responsibility - Obama's repsonsibility as a candidate is to project what a leader of America should be telling the world. Who you vote for is your business, but I am glad that the WORLD sees someone delivering a message of hope from America. We've had seven years of the world thinking that we're thugs.
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{"commentId":2311991,"authorDomain":"lisaed"}
We've had seven years of the world thinking that we're thugs.
Partisan Hack -12.16---and I happen to disagree vehemently with that assessment.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2275274,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
Paritsan Hack
Thank you for another good topic to get everybody buzzin'. Goodnight. Sweet dreams....
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- 4 votes
#13 - Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:38 PM EDT{"commentId":2278544,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Pittsburgh2,
Thanks! I can see that the "Operation Chaos" dogs are out in force, but hopefully people get tired of their smelly stuff soon enough. It's only good for fertilizer anyway.
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{"commentId":2275486,"authorDomain":"prosperity2un2000"}
I had to leave for work just as Obama was about to give his speech. I was going to go into a patients room and sneak peeks, but never got the chance til KO shoow came on. I am biracial like Obama and I just finished listening/ viewing his big day in Berlin! I am about to cry!!!!!!! Who would have thought that a black man would attract over 200,000 people to hear him speak in a former Communist city! I nwas not sure if I would get to see a Black man become President, but I will!!! All the struggles, injustices, tears, and humiliation that Blacks have endeared in this country has led to this historic and monmumental occasion!
Lincoln, MLK, The Kennedy Bros, Fredrick Douglas, Rosa Parks, Cyprus Atticks, John Brown, Chaney, Schwerner, Goodman, Booker T, Sojourner, Coretta, Jesse Owens, etc......... must be looking down and crying tears of joy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These people lived and died for this day!!!!!!!!!!
On the other hand: Washington, Adams, Franklin, Bull Connor, Buchanan, Johnson, Jackson, Monroe, Madison, Hoover, etc...........must all be turning in their graves!! This was NOT suppose to happen! A black man was a nothing. he was not expected to achieve great heights! Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation was designed to keep the Black man down! look WHAT HAS ARISEN!!!!
The Repubs must be seeing RED!!! McCain is doo-doo! he does not inspire, give hope, or excite the imagination! He can not achieve a crowd like this!! A crowd with both B & W in attendance, with out stretched arms, clamoring to touch him!!!!
Repubs, be scared, be very scare!!!!!! I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo PROUD OF YOU BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REACH FOR THE STARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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- 4 votes
#14 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:17 AM EDT{"commentId":2275838,"authorDomain":"newcreation"}
Lincoln, really? You do know that he just wanted to ship them all back to Africa, right?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2276212,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}
Lincoln was a bit more frugal, and would have shipped Black Americans to Panama instead.
But what can you expect from the syphyllitic mind of Lincoln? If Gore Vidal is to be believed, anyways.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2278563,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Neesy08,
REACH FOR THE STARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amen, amen.
We must reach for the stars, for we will never get to them unless we do. Let others wallow in the racist filth of the past. America is moving forward.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2280573,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
However Partisan Hack, we need to stay in the past long enough to really secure the future. Those that have committed crimes against our government must make them stand accountable then we can move on.
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{"commentId":2283765,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
However Partisan Hack, we need to stay in the past long enough to really secure the future. Those that have committed crimes against our government must make them stand accountable then we can move on.
I sure hope that we can take care of that, I am disappointed that it's not happening now but thinking of the end of the Nixon era if we can somehow avoid creating yet another generation of Karl Roves and Dick Cheneys that should be the real goal overall. If that means passing up impeachment for criminal prosecutions then so be it.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2285115,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
I watched the hearing yesterday and we could start impeachment Monday with one issue along, failure to provide documents and witnesses for investigation so that the Congress can do it Constitutional duty of oversight is all the reason you need to impeach. We have several instances of that.
The other issue is the statements he has added to bill passed into law stating which part of the law he will follow and which ones he will not. He cannot do this. Pelosi needs to get her head out of her butt and get this started. As I understood it yesterday if it is started and not finished it can be pass to the new Justice department in 09 and continue on with the evidence gathered as a criminal prosecution.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2275645,"authorDomain":"scipio-africanus"}
{"commentId":2276215,"authorDomain":"TiredofTaCrap"}
The question still stands,
What are his accomplishments?
Examples 1,2,3,etc.
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#16 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:39 AM EDT{"commentId":2278179,"authorDomain":"kellywvinson"}
{"commentId":2278729,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
What are his accomplishments?
What were Lincoln's?
Obama is an accomplished Senator, a person who has worked to better the lives of average Americans in the streets of Chicago, a man who is educated and became an editor of the Harvard Law Review, one of the most prestigioius prizes in the field of law, a man who knows how state governments work through his time in the Illinois legislature - and he is a man who can organize and motivate people as no other American politician has done since Ronald Reagan.
In the other corner you have Mr. Sleepy who can't even pass a fifth grade geography test. We respect his service to the nation, but he is out of his league on the national stage and the world stage. He's just a finger puppet for Karl Rove.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2285126,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
Well delivered Partisan Hack, McCain is as said before an old angry warrior that doesn't want to let go of what he see as his glory days the Vietnam War he is still fighting and trying to win through Iraq. I would be a shrink would have a hay day with his physicy. I know I don't want it running my Country.
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{"commentId":2276356,"authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
After reading this article, and the post of many who have contributed to this forum, I see Der Fuhrer reincarnated, but this time he is more subtle. Sieg... Obama.. Heil.
Heil Obama.
Did any of you research his past? Do any of you know the kind of people he associates with? Do any of you comprehend what he will do to this country?
His dream is a socialistic one. Our country was/is based on a democratic republic concept. A part of that concept is that you get what you work for.
THE STATE IS NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING EVERYTHING !
You should earn what you get. You should not expect state funded handouts!
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- 1 vote
#17 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:50 AM EDT{"commentId":2276559,"authorDomain":"ethelmea"}
the concept that you get what you work for is great but what do you say to people who have lost thier jobs because of this administration .and maybe the states would not be so strapted for funds if the federal gov. would spend our money in a responable way. i am all for people working and not having to depend on handouts from the gov ,but it does not always work out that way.there are those who have lost jobs and homes but also thier self respect they did not choose to be in this mess but they are,we should try helping eachother instead of tearing people down this country would be a better place i mean is it not our duty to help our fellow americans?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2277560,"authorDomain":"holysandal"}
George,
Obama may be the first presidential candidate that has had to work for his prestige in a very long time.
Don't you get it it? He's not the elitist!
The admiral's son is the elitist who hasn't had to work for his millions.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2278780,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
George,
Obama may be the first presidential candidate that has had to work for his prestige in a very long time.
Don't you get it it? He's not the elitist!
The admiral's son is the elitist who hasn't had to work for his millions.
Exactly. Republicans prey on this, because that they know many Americans resent people who started with nothing more than themselves and became not only successful but also isn't afraid to remember where he came from.
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{"commentId":2285145,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
I would like to know what research George Haggard has done and would he share his findings along with his sources. I am open minded and I am always willing to take new factual information and add it to what I have found and process it. Please George share with us.
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{"commentId":2276364,"authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
I agree that there are some things we need to change, but the stae providing for you from the cradel to the grave is not the way we need to go.
Additionally we need to put term limits on reprsentative and senators just ass we did the president. We need statemen, not politicians.
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- 1 vote
#18 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:53 AM EDT{"commentId":2278828,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
I agree that there are some things we need to change, but the stae providing for you from the cradel to the grave is not the way we need to go.
It doesn't, but every American has a right to the basics of life. Where you go from there is your choice. This isn't the wild west where you could just stake a claim and tell the world to go screw itself. We're a complex society that needs to nurture everyone's potential for success, because you never know where success is going to come from. If you just hand the government over to the elites than you're really screwed, they'll take away your opportunties for success and your grandchildren will be working like the Chinese in slave labor factories.
Think of the children.
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{"commentId":2276450,"authorDomain":"ghaggard"}
Partisan Hack; I see that you write for the Huffington whatever. I'm thinking that your a huffington and a puffington. You seem to be emotionally involved with Obama. Are you going to be the next Goebbels?
Oh mine Fuhrer Barack, let me lick your boots.
Damn get a grip on yourself. Do some research. You mentioned the Chinese taking jobs. It was the greed of the accountants of the corporations and the greed of the unions that has taken jobs out of the country. And while we are on the topic of China, it was Billy boy Clinton that made it possible for the Chinese to acquire our missile targeting technology! If an Iranian, or North Korean missile hits anything, you can thank your buddy Billy Boy Clinton.
Damn do some homework before you do so much boot licking. Have some sered of dignity!
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- 2 votes
#19 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:17 AM EDT{"commentId":2276678,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
George:
Stop being so mean. Get your point across without attacking. It cheapens what you're trying to express. (The Goebbels comment is over lline and you know it).
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{"commentId":2277636,"authorDomain":"holysandal"}
George,
Oh mine Fuhrer Barack, let me lick your boots.
What does this mean? Can't you make your point without hyperbole and insipid sarcasm? If you really think Obama is another Hitler make your point. Throw together some comparisons. We'll see how well you can make your argument, otherwise, don't imply what isn't supportable. You're guilty of propaganda otherwise. I mean, really take a minute here, pause, think for yourself, and judge whether or not you REALLY think Obama is going to engage in ethnic cleansing. Do you? If so, please support your argument. Ya know, i wish i could have this conversation in person so you wouldn't be able to crawl into your hole, and you'd have to stand behind your words. Besides, calling Obama another Hitler is a gross insult to the victims of the Holocaust.
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{"commentId":2278883,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Partisan Hack; I see that you write for the Huffington whatever. I'm thinking that your a huffington and a puffington. You seem to be emotionally involved with Obama. Are you going to be the next Goebbels?
Oh mine Fuhrer Barack, let me lick your boots.
No, I am an American who knows the difference between democracy and stupidity. I love my country enough to tolerate people who piss on it with their freedom of speech.
Up to a point. I'll keep labeling your stuff as inflammatory until you learn how to talk instead of just slap garbage at people. Democracy deserves better than that.
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{"commentId":2285176,"authorDomain":"yorkark"}
I agree with you on Clinton regarding NAFTA and that is why I didn't support Hillary. And you are right about the neo-cons, but look a little deeper, after NAFTA GW along with his rubber stamp Congress signed many many more trade agreements and removed most of the safeguards that had been put in place or just plain ignored them.
When you talk about boot licking and lock stepping look at the first 4 years of this clowns administration and the Congress that were his puppets and please do not forget the American people who were kept scared and obedient like you.
There is a lot of blame, but we have a chance to go in a different direction any anyone in my opinion that tries to stop that movement is part of what I described above boot licking and lock stepping puppets only McCain or who ever he picks for Vice will be the new puppeteer.
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{"commentId":2276611,"authorDomain":"ethelmea"}
as soon as someone says "i blame bush oh no i blame clinton" this is a joke it is our own fault we have set and watched this country go to hell because we let the poiltians have their waythey work for us not the other way around we should make them keep the promises that they make to get thier jobs.
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#20 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:56 AM EDT{"commentId":2276634,"authorDomain":"ethelmea"}
maybe the people over seas and in euo.are thankful that they are not going to have to deal with mr.bush anymore i mean he has not exactly made many friends in the last 8 years
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#21 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:01 AM EDT{"commentId":2276714,"authorDomain":"lasong"}
I don't think they're alone in their thinking, ethelmea.
it is our own fault we have sat and watched.,..
I agree. There has been virtually no sound from the American people. Maybe they're beaten down, or feel that if they do, they'll be viewed as unAmerican. After all the administration we have now will not even tolerate disagreement before someone either "resigns" or is blacklisted. Or, maybe they feel it wouldn't do any good--have no impact. When you begin to lose hope, you've already lost.
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P. S to George, I DO agree with your one post..... we have to earn what you get... I absolutely agree with that and also your statement about the government shouldn't provide EVERYTHING. Agreed. But the other statements....no.
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#22 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:21 AM EDT{"commentId":2277220,"authorDomain":"coll-env"}
I would tend to believe the citizenry of Berlin when it comes down to saying the Obama speech was positive.
Mccain=Bush is sour grapes and should keep his gaffe mouth shut before he screws up again !!!
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#23 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:33 AM EDT{"commentId":2277821,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}
Mccain=Bush is sour grapes and should keep his gaffe mouth shut before he screws up again
It's up to all of America to make sure of that when it comes to exercising your fingers (and your constitutional right). Ejecting them is a good way to shut that gob. Alas, 4 years ago, something went awry even so.
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{"commentId":2279661,"authorDomain":"brandonragle"}
"But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together."
"The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down."
"This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably."
"With an eye toward the future, with resolve in our hearts, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again."
BHO is a Cultural Marxist kook of the highest order. His legions of useful idiots and greasy socialists should make every liberty-loving American fearful for the lives of their children.
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#25 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:35 PM EDT{"commentId":2279892,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
BHO is a Cultural Marxist kook of the highest order. His legions of useful idiots and greasy socialists should make every liberty-loving American fearful for the lives of their children.
Funny. We used to call those things civilization. I guess that some people wouldn't know a good thing if they tripped over it.
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{"commentId":2283192,"authorDomain":"benjaminstraight"}
Berlin rocks. Hope Obama trys the local food.
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#26 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:48 PM EDT{"commentId":2283654,"authorDomain":"jjtjs"}
BHObama is nothing its mindless people that have no life. This man is just all talk,he is whitewashing your mind. He is there to turn your face from the truth. He wants all to be baby killer's. Are you going to vote for a baby killer. He is not even given a unborn baby a chance,you think he will give us one. Evil is all the will come out of this thing Obama. NO WE CAN'T VOTE Obama08 say know and save yourself.
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#27 - Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:16 PM EDT{"commentId":2283778,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
He wants all to be baby killer's. Are you going to vote for a baby killer.
Geez, what's next? Obama rapes babies before he kills them?
You guys have to come up with some better fear tactics then that.
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{"commentId":2284504,"authorDomain":"xanthiana"}
/sarcasm on
Right, let's just bring all those unwanted children in the world, let them be abused by parents who never wanted them in the first place, let them get on with library books from the 70ies in their schools, because they were born on the wrong side of town, let them die of some preventable disease, because they can't afford health insurance ....
Along with that let the women who do not want children die due to the treatment of some backroom angelmaker, because naturally they did not deserve better, if they terminate a pregnancy ....
On the upside, we can continue to kill the sons and daughters of the poor, if they do reach adulthood, in godforsaken, unjust wars abroad. If we get enough of the children without chances we will just be able to keep our loved ones at home and send the unwanted to kill 100.000s of thousands innoncent civilians at the other end of the world.
Makes sense really!
/sarcasm off
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{"commentId":2285108,"authorDomain":"labella-laura"}
1 part of his speech was what Bono had said during one of his relief events. Obama speech writers need to check for plagiarism.
2 He went to work out instead of seeing sick and injured troops in Germany since he was told he could not take the media and use it as a political stunt
3 When he went to meet with a 2 star General in Bahrain, he walked by the soldiers that had lined up to shake his hand without so much as a word. No "Thank you" or anything. He went to the meeting and left, again without any words or shaking hands with the troops.
He does not have the true heart to be president. I fear that if he is elected, he will let his true self come out and there will be nothing we can do to stop his agenda.
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#28 - Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:53 AM EDT{"commentId":2294831,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}
Barack Obama was Awesome and I am so very impressed with the way he carried himself and all of what he spoke. He is a brilliant leader and I infer that other world communities will work well with him.
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#29 - Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:40 PM EDT{"commentId":2295182,"authorDomain":"partisanhack"}
Barack Obama was Awesome and I am so very impressed with the way he carried himself and all of what he spoke. He is a brilliant leader and I infer that other world communities will work well with him.
Let's hope! It certainly will be a change of pace...
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